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"It is the frivolous elevation of 'the critical attitude' into a
categorical imperative of intellectual life, which has been at once the
most influential and the most mischievous aspect of Popper's philosophy
of science. Even in its non-extreme forms, however, the apotheosis of
the critical attitude has had, as its principal effect, simply this: to
fortify millions of ignorant graduates and undergraduates in the belief,
to which they are already only too firmly wedded by other causes, that
the adversary posture is all, and that intellectual life consists in
'directionless quibble'." - Australian philosopher David Stove,
Anything Goes, p.185.
The "No Eight" Equals Night Language
In about 20 languages—maybe more—there is an undeniable pattern
where the word for "night" is a contraction of the two words "no" and
"eight". Is this just a coincidence? Hardly! But why should this be?
Well, for starters, most of these languages are derivatives of
Indo-European or Sanskrit. So, we can kind of expect the pattern. But
what is amazing is the way it plays out! In some of these languages the
words and their sounds are changed significantly but the pattern still
The real answer here is understanding the basis of this equation. For
thousands of years previous to the great catastrophe or cataclysm,
mankind on earth lived under the glorious spectacle in the sky of the
Saturnian polar configuration where looking to the north one could see
the reddish Mars in front of the larger blue-green Venus in front of the
greater golden orb of Saturn. See the articles in the
Saturn-Jupiter Material Mythology section.
The salient aspect here is that Venus moved back and forth to and
from Saturn on the polar axis of the Saturn-Venus-Mars-Earth alignment.
On its cyclical journey, Venus discharged back to
Saturn with a specific but changing number of coruscating streams of Birkeland current plasma. On
its inward bound leg toward Saturn, starting from its most
distant point, the streamers went from zero to two to three to four to
eight and finally to sixteen according to the aspects of plasma
discharge. Evidently the stages of four and eight were the most
prolonged, and consequently the star Venus was widely known as the
"Eight Pointed Star" in the ancient world.
When the Saturnian polar configuration finally broke up, inaugurating
the great catastrophe known as the Biblical Flood, this happened when
the system was roughly in the plane of the ecliptic. Consequently the
earth no longer received a constant light from Saturn and the total
darkness of night was first experienced.
Here is a partial list of the "No Eight" Pattern:
English, night is "night", the negative is NO, 8 is EIGHT
IE, night is "nekote", the negative is NE, 8 is ___
Afrikaans, night is "nag", the negative is nee, 8 is agt
Danish, night is "nat", the negative is nej, 8 is otte
Dutch, night is "nacht", the negative is geen, 8 is acht
French, night is "nuit", the negative is NON, 8 is HUIT
German, night is "nacht", the negative is NEIN, 8 is ACHT
Greek (Koine), night is "NUX/NUCTOS", the negative is NON, 8 is OKTO
Italian, night is "notte", the negative is NO, 8 is OTTO
Latin, night is "NOX/NOCTIS", the negative is NON, 8 is OCTOS
Norwegian, night is "natt", the negative is nei, 8 is åtte
Portuguese, night is "à noite", the negative is Não, 8 is oito
Romanian, night is "nopte", the negative is NU, 8 is OPT
Russian, night is "ночь", the negative is нет, 8 is
Sanskrit, night is ____, the negative is ___, 8 is ___
Spanish, night is "noche", the negative is NO, 8 is OCHO
Swedish, night is "natt", the negative is NAY, 8 is OTA
Ukrainian, night is "ніч", the negative is hi, 8 is
Welsh, night is "nos", the negative is na, 8 is wyth
Notes on related possibilities:
In Chinese, the written word "FLOOD" is a combination of the
symbols for "8" and "mouth" and "boat"."
night = yoru (pronounced your-oo)
no = iie (pronounced eye-ee)
eight = yattsu (prounounced yot-sue)
As you can see, the "no
eight" pattern is not so clear here. The word "stay" in Japanese is "oru"
(pronounced oh-roo). So, if anything, the Japanese word for night, "yoru",
is a contraction of "iee oru" maybe giving "no stay". But even that
seems to have some connection.
The European languages that we have now are kind of
like 20 pipes that we are told or think are coming off a central tank.
Coming from the ends of the pipes are the word-sounds for “night” of the
current languages and the tank is labeled either Indo-European or
proto-IE, according to my understanding of what’s been suggested. If we
find blue water coming from all the 20 pipes, that is a pattern although
a simple one, and if we trace the pipes to the central tank we are
almost certain that the tank holds blue water. We check in the tank and
find blue water—no problemo! If the water in the tank is not blue, we
have some further checking to do before we can say we understand what’s
Now if we had just or only looked into the tank and
found blue water, that would NOT have been a pattern because it takes at
least two or more things to make a pattern. But even if only 15 of the
20 pipes are delivering blue water and the others are delivering plain
water, that is still a pattern but not a totally consistent one.
Obviously either these pipes are not connected to the same tank or
something is being added to the 15 or subtracted from the 5.
So far this is somewhat of an over-simplification.
My understanding of what we find is that sometimes the words of one
language do not all take the same route to the end language. Words are
borrowed from different languages and new words are created at or in
each level or intermediate language and some words are changed to
varying degrees. For instance, some may have gone from IE. to Greek to
Latin to German to OE. to ME., and some from IE. to Latin to Greek to
etc., and some from IE skipping over some usual intermediates. (This
is very general here)
However, notice the following:
Ho = direction
Shi = four
Hoshi = star
Just as enduring as any other and probably more so in the ancient sky was the discharge of four
discharge streamers back to Saturn from Venus, and this at times presented a kind of giant square in
the sky, defining the "land" of the gods. Sometimes this was referred to
as the "four corners of the cosmos," which is often mis-translated as
"the four corners of the earth." Knowing this now makes our construction
above quite expected and meaningful.
On the matter of "eight," it turns out that the key is not eight
streams but four streams. If you take all of the associations of
the number eight around the world you will find that more of these
associations relate to projecting lines of energy around a center
than to all other associations combined. Moreover there is a
recurring association with the equal-limbed cross. Repeatedly you
find the four arms or streamers of the cross duplicated
symmetrically to produce a balanced, eight-fold division of space.
An early example is the "sun"-wheel of Shamash in which the four
streamers as winds or rivers are juxtaposed with what looks like
petals of a flower (another mythical form of the same streamers)
producing a sense of symmetry or balance. In more than one culture
male and female "aspects" of the equal-limbed cross yield a
balanced, eight-fold set of rays or spokes. (Remember that the
conjunction of Mars and Venus at the center of the cross is the
archetypal conjunction of male and female powers, inviting balanced
or symmetrical elaborations of the elementary idea.)
It is interesting to me that comparative symbolists are beginning to
recognize these patterns, even though they lack the external
references to make the symbolism more obvious. Chavalier and
Gheerbrant say, for example: "Universally eight is the number of
cosmic balance. With the addition of the intermediate points, it is
the number of the cardinal points [i.e., as described by the
equal-limbed cross, the universal symbol of the four rivers/four
winds dispersing to the four corners of the celestial kingdom].
Chavalier and Gheerbrant go on to relate many instances, all
relating to the symmetrical projection of energy from a center.
This is, of course, the pervasive and universal role of the central
star, or discharging Venus in the Saturn model. The emanations of
this central star ARE the "life" of the universal sovereign Saturn.
They are "rivers of light and life," the "petals" of the celestial
plant of life. Since the eight-fold representation of these
life-streams is in fact the most common association of eight, I
would suggest that a researcher might want to explore the possible
explanation of "no-eight = night" by reference to the ancient daily
cycle. The luminous streamers would disappear as the sun rose in
the sky (archaic night), then explode into life as sunset (archaic
day, which BEGAN at sunset). - David Talbott
With respect to symbolic associations, I find today that others
HAVE suggested a possible link to the caduceus. As I remarked
yesterday, the caduceus sometimes presents two spheres on a pole,
one resting atop another in the fashion of earlier Mesopotamian
prototypes, which I am quite confident DO reflect the Venus-Mars
forms as they actually appeared in the polar configuration when Mars
moved closer to the Earth (or the Earth closer to Mars). Though I
addressed the possible connection to the arabic "8" speculatively...
this morning I opened Jack Tresidder's Dictionary of Symbols,
noting his comment that "The Shape of the actual Arabic numeral "8"
was equated with the caduceus." [emphasis mine] Though this
does not CONVINCE me that there was any original symbolic intent
behind the Arabic form, it keeps the question open in my mind. In
fact, it's very difficult to find ANY activity in the ancient world,
however practical the function, that was not guided by a sense of
sacred symbolism pointing backwards to the age of the gods.
Tresidder adds that the octagon, derived from an EIGHT-pointed star,
"was an ancient symbol of the Roman goddess Venus." Hence, at least
one author has explicitly stated both associations of "eight"
(caduceus -two spheres lying on a single axis-pole- and the
symmetrically-presented eight rays of the Venus-star) which I had
offered so loosely in relationship to the conjunction of male and
female powers in the planetary alignment.
So again, I would not discount the possibility that there is indeed
an ancient, root symbolism behind the apparent "night = no eight"
equation; nor discount the possibility that the original reference
was to the Great Star shining in the center of the primeval sun
(Saturn), bringing the god to life as the radiant streamers shone
most brightly; nor the (somewhat more uncertain) possibility that the
Arabic "8" did in fact possess a symbolic significance from the very
beginning, reflecting the Venus-Mars alignment on the polar axis. -
Remember that the archaic "night" meant the waning of the
spectacular configuration streamers. Only with the emergence of the
present celestial arrangement did the "day" come to mean the period
beginning with sunrise. Originally, it meant the arrival of
surrounding darkness and the "coming out" or "coming forth" of the
unified configuration as it exploded into life. This is the "dawn"
or "morning" with which the archetypal "morning star" is
consistently linked—and that includes both the masculine form
(Mars) and the feminine form (Venus), the two standing in
conjunction in the center of Saturn in the unified phase of the
There is a concrete basis for connecting the archaic NIGHT with
"absence," "disappearance" or "waning." (or with negation, NOT, NO)
In Egyptian symbolism, for example, virtually all of the words
relating to negation have reference to the daily cycle: "not," "no,"
"disappearance," "cease," "to wane." So too, the words for "to
exist," "light," "life," "to grow bright," "come forth" bear a
concrete relationship to the opposite phase in the same
cycle—either 1) to the phase of celestial brilliance (growing
bright of the streamers and/or configuration as a whole), or 2) to
the position of the revolving crescent in relation to this daily
cycle (i.e., the crescent moves below the central star in the phase
of brilliance, and it moves above in the phase of waning). Hence,
in recognizing the connection of the archetypal NIGHT to the ABSENCE
of the streamers, there may be a basis for the equation "night = no
eight". The archaic night was the waning or disappearance of these
streamers, symmetrically elaborated in many ancient systems as an
eight-fold effusion of light and energy. To test this one should
seek out the other associations in different cultures, between words
meaning _eight_ and cultural concepts suggesting an eight-fold flow
of energy from a center: petals of a flower or celestial plant of
life, spokes of a "sun"- wheel, rays of a central star, projections
of a crown, divisions of space. - David Talbott
It would probably fill a library if all of the similar linguistic
connections in all of the extant languages were to be noted and
catalogued. This pattern of many common words being related to the
formation in the ancient sky would seem to be undeniable.