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The "No Eight" Equals Night Language Development

"It is the frivolous elevation of 'the critical attitude' into a categorical imperative of intellectual life, which has been at once the most influential and the most mischievous aspect of Popper's philosophy of science. Even in its non-extreme forms, however, the apotheosis of the critical attitude has had, as its principal effect, simply this: to fortify millions of ignorant graduates and undergraduates in the belief, to which they are already only too firmly wedded by other causes, that the adversary posture is all, and that intellectual life consists in 'directionless quibble'." - Australian philosopher David Stove, Anything Goes, p.185.

In about 20 languages—maybe more—there is an undeniable pattern where the word for "night" is a contraction of the two words "no" and "eight". Is this just a coincidence? Hardly! But why should this be?

Well, for starters, most of these languages are derivatives of Indo-European or Sanskrit. So, we can kind of expect the pattern. But what is amazing is the way it plays out! In some of these languages the words and their sounds are changed significantly but the pattern still holds.

The real answer here is understanding the basis of this equation. For thousands of years previous to the great catastrophe or cataclysm, mankind on earth lived under the glorious spectacle in the sky of the Saturnian polar configuration where looking to the north one could see the reddish Mars in front of the larger blue-green Venus in front of the greater golden orb of Saturn. See the articles in the Mythology section.

The salient aspect here is that Venus moved back and forth to and from Saturn on the polar axis of the four involved planets which included the Earth. On its cyclical journey, Venus discharged back to Saturn with a specific but changing number of coruscating streams of Birkeland current plasma. On the inward bound leg starting from it most distant point, the streamers went from zero to two to three to four to eight and finally to sixteen according to the aspects of plasma discharge. Evidently the stages of four and eight were the most prolonged, and consequently the star Venus was widely known as the "Eight Pointed Star" in the ancient world.

When the Saturnian polar configuration finally broke up, inaugurating the great catastrophe known as the Biblical Flood, this happened when the system was roughly in the plane of the ecliptic. Consequently the earth no longer received a constant light from Saturn and the total darkness of night was first experienced.

Here is a partial list of the "No Eight" Pattern:

English, night is NIGHT, the negative is NO, 8 is EIGHT

IE, night is NEKOTE, the negative is NE, 8 is ___

Afrikaans, night is nag, the negative is nee, 8 is agt

Danish, night is nat, the negative is nej, 8 is otte

Dutch, night is nacht, the negative is geen, 8 is acht

French, night is NUIT, the negative is NON, 8 is HUIT

German, night is NACHT, the negative is NEIN, 8 is ACHT

Greek (Koine), night is NUX/NUCTOS, the negative is NON, 8 is OKTO

Italian, night is NOTTE, the negative is NO, 8 is OTTO

Latin, night is NOX/NOCTIS, the negative is NON, 8 is OCTOS

Norwegian, night is natt, the negative is nei, 8 is åtte

Portuguese, night is à noite, the negative is Não, 8 is oito

Romanian, night is NOAPTE, the negative is NU, 8 is OPT

Russian, night is ночь, the negative is нет, 8 is восемь

Sanskrit, night is ____, the negative is ___, 8 is ___

Spanish, night is NOCHE, the negative is NO, 8 is OCHO

Swedish, night is NATT, the negative is NAY, 8 is OTA

Ukrainian, night is ніч, the negative is hi, 8 is вісім

Welsh, night is nos, the negative is na, 8 is wyth

Notes on related possibilities:

In Chinese, the written word "FLOOD" is a combination of the
symbols for "8" and "mouth" and "boat"."

In Japanese

night = yoru (pronounced your-oo)
no = iie (pronounced eye-ee)
eight = yattsu (prounounced yot-sue)

As you can see, the "no eight" pattern does not hold here. The word "stay" in Japanese is "oru" (pronounced oh-roo). So, if anything, the Japanese word for night, "yoru", is a contraction of "iee oru" maybe giving "no stay". But even that seems to be stretching things.

The European languages that we have now are kind of like 20 pipes that we are told or think are coming off a central tank.  Coming from the ends of the pipes are the word-sounds for “night” of the current languages and the tank is labeled either Indo-European or proto-IE, according to my understanding of what’s been suggested.  If we find blue water coming from all the 20 pipes, that is a pattern although a simple one, and if we trace the pipes to the central tank we are almost certain that the tank holds blue water.  We check in the tank and find blue water—no problemo!  If the water in the tank is not blue, we have some further checking to do before we can say we understand what’s going on.

Now if we had just or only looked into the tank and found blue water, that would NOT have been a pattern because it takes at least two or more things to make a pattern.  But even if only 15 of the 20 pipes are delivering blue water and the others are delivering plain water, that is still a pattern but not a totally consistent one.  Obviously either these pipes are not connected to the same tank or something is being added or subtracted.

So far this is somewhat of an over-simplification.  My understanding of what we find is that sometimes the words of one language do not all take the same route to the end language.  Words are borrowed from different languages and new words are created at or in each level or intermediate language and some words are changed to varying degrees.  For instance, some may have gone from IE. to Greek to Latin to German to OE. to ME., and some from IE. to Latin to Greek to etc., and some from IE skipping over some usual intermediates.  (I’m just being very general here)

However, notice the following:

Ho = direction
Shi = four
Hoshi = star

Just as common and probably more so was the discharge of four streamers back to Saturn, and this presented a kind of giant square in the sky, defining the "land" of the gods. Sometimes this was referred to as the "four corners of the cosmos," which is often mis-translated as "the four corners of the earth." Knowing this now makes our construction above quite expected and meaningful.

On the matter of "eight," it turns out that the key is not eight streams but four streams.  If you take all of the associations of the number eight around the world you will find that more of these associations relate to projecting lines of energy around a center than to all other associations combined.  Moreover there is a recurring association with the equal-limbed cross.  Repeatedly you find the four arms or streamers of the cross duplicated symmetrically to produce a balanced, eight-fold division of space. An early example is the "sun"-wheel of Shamash in which the four streamers as winds or rivers are juxtaposed with what looks like petals of a flower (another mythical form of the same streamers) producing a sense of symmetry or balance.  In more than one culture male and female "aspects" of the equal-limbed cross yield a balanced, eight-fold set of rays or spokes. (Remember that the conjunction of Mars and Venus at the center of the cross is the achetypal conjunction of male and female powers, inviting balanced or symmetrical elaborations of the elementray idea.)

It is interesting to me that comparative symbolists are beginning to recognize these patterns, even though they lack the external references to make the symbolism more obvious.  Chavalier and Gheerbrant say, for example: "Universally eight is the number of cosmic balance.  With the additon of the intermediate points, it is the number of the cardinal points [i.e., as described by the equal-limbed cross, the universal symbol of the four rivers/four winds dispersing to the four corners of the celestial kingdom]. Chavalier and Gheerbrant go on to relate many instances, all relating to the symmetrical projection of energy from a center.  This is, of course, the pervasive and universal role of the central star, or discharging Venus in the Saturn model.  The emanations of this central star ARE the "life" of the universal sovereign Saturn. They are "rivers of light and life," the "petals" of the celestial plant of life.  Since the eight-fold representation of these life-streams is in fact the most common association of eight, I would suggest that a researcher might want to explore the possible explanation of "no-eight = night" by reference to the ancient daily cycle.  The luminous streamers would disappear as the sun rose in the sky (archaic night), then explode into life as sunset (archaic day, which BEGAN at sunset). - David Talbott

With respect to symbolic associations, I find today that others HAVE suggested a possible link to the caduceus.  As I remarked yesterday, the caduceus sometimes presents two spheres on a pole, one resting atop another in the fashion of earlier Mesopotamian prototypes, which I am quite confident DO reflect the Venus-Mars forms as they actually appeared in the polar configuration when Mars moved closer to the Earth (or the Earth closer to Mars).  Though I addressed the possible connection to the arabic "8" speculatively... this morning I opened Jack Tresidder's Dictionary of Symbols, noting his comment that "The Shape of the actual Arabic numeral "8" was equated with the caduceus." [emphasis mine]  Though this does not CONVINCE me that there was any original symbolic intent behind the Arabic form, it keeps the question open in my mind.  In fact, it's very difficult to find ANY activity in the ancient world, however practical the function, that was not guided by a sense of sacred symbolism pointing backwards to the age of the gods.

Tresidder adds that the octagon, derived from an EIGHT-pointed star, "was an ancient symbol of the Roman goddess Venus."  Hence, at least one author has explicitly stated both associations of "eight" (caduceus -two spheres lying on a single axis-pole- and the symmetrically-presented eight rays of the Venus-star) which I had offered so loosely in relationship to the conjunction of male and female powers in the planetary alignment.

So again, I would not discount the possibility that there is indeed an ancient, root symbolism behind the apparent "night = no eight" equation; nor discount the possibility that the original reference was to the Great Star shining in the center of the primeval sun (Saturn), bringing the god to life as the radiant streamers shone most brightly; nor the(somewhat more uncertain) possibility that the Arabic "8" did in fact possess a symbolic significance from the very beginning, reflecting the Venus-Mars alignment on the polar axis. - David Talbott

Remember that the archaic "night" meant the waning of the spectacular configuration streamers.  Only with the emergence of the present celestial arrangement did the "day" come to mean the period beginning with sunrise.  Originally, it meant the arrival of surrounding darkness and the "coming out" or "coming forth" of the unified configuration as it exploded into life. This is the "dawn" or "morning" with which the archetypal "morning star" is consistently linked--and that includes both the masculine form (Mars) and the feminine form (Venus), the two standing in conjunction in the center of Saturn in the unified phase of the configuration.

There is a concrete basis for connecting the archaic NIGHT with "absence," "disappearance" or "waning." (or with negation, NOT, NO)  In Egyptian symbolism, for example, virtually all of the words relating to negation have reference to the daily cycle: "not," "no," "disappearance," "cease," "to wane."  So too, the words for "to exist," "light," "life," "to grow bright," "come forth" bear a concrete relationship to the opposite phase in the same cycle--either 1) to the phase of celestial brilliance (growing bright of the streamers and/or configuration as a whole), or 2) to the position of the revolving crescent in relation to this daily cycle (i.e., the crescent moves below the central star in the phase of brilliance, and it moves above in the phase of waning).  Hence, in recognizing the connection of the archetypal NIGHT to the ABSENCE of the streamers, there may be a basis for the equation "night = no eight".  The archaic night was the waning or disappearance of these streamers, symmetrically elaborated in many ancient systems as an eight-fold effusion of light and energy. To test this one should seek out the other associations in different cultures, between words meaning _eight_ and cultural concepts suggesting an eight-fold flow of energy from a center:  petals of a flower or celestial plant of life, spokes of a "sun"- wheel, rays of a central star, projections of a crown, divisions of space. - David Talbott

It would probable fill a library if all of the similar linguistic connections in all of the extant languages were to be noted and catalogued.


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